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		<title>By: Pete Quily</title>
		<link>http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/05/20/what-your-non-add-spouse-wants-you-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-1508238</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Quily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 05:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point MrsHm,

both Gina and Melissa are married to ADHD husbands, hence the natural focus for them more on males with adhd in relationships vs women. Sometimes some people write about men with adhd and don&#039;t clarify traits of men vs adhd traits or traits of the comorbidities ie narcissism, etc.

Often women with adhd will internalize (depression, anxiety, self doubt) while men with adhd will more often externalize, (ODD, denial, anger) of course that&#039;s in general and there are exceptions. Sari Solden and Kathleen Nadeau have written books specifically on women and adhd, I don&#039;t know if there&#039;s a site like adhdmarriage.com specifically focused on women with adhd in relationships. Maybe someone else does.

As someone who &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.addcoach4u.com/adhd-coaching/adultaddcoaching.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;coach both women and men with ADHD&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;d suggest whether you&#039;re a woman or a man, the most important thing to do is to focusing on learning to understand how adhd impacts you specifically in the different areas of your life, relationships, career, finances, social life etc and find ways in which to learn how to manage it more effectively. See my post &lt;a href=&quot; http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/02/21/top-10-ways-to-manage-adult-adhd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Top 10 Ways to Manage Adult ADHD
&lt;/a&gt; for some ideas.

FYI often the adhd guys in denial have such deep shame about it and don&#039;t know how to manage it, and never been taught how to, they get tired of being frustrated with it and just turtle up and go into denial. Often the adhd women have more guilt and are at least open to talk about it (compared to most, not all of the men). 

Sadly few medical professionals are trained to deal with adhd, less with adult adhd, and even less with women with ADHD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point MrsHm,</p>
<p>both Gina and Melissa are married to ADHD husbands, hence the natural focus for them more on males with adhd in relationships vs women. Sometimes some people write about men with adhd and don&#8217;t clarify traits of men vs adhd traits or traits of the comorbidities ie narcissism, etc.</p>
<p>Often women with adhd will internalize (depression, anxiety, self doubt) while men with adhd will more often externalize, (ODD, denial, anger) of course that&#8217;s in general and there are exceptions. Sari Solden and Kathleen Nadeau have written books specifically on women and adhd, I don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s a site like adhdmarriage.com specifically focused on women with adhd in relationships. Maybe someone else does.</p>
<p>As someone who <a href="http://www.addcoach4u.com/adhd-coaching/adultaddcoaching.html" rel="nofollow">coach both women and men with ADHD</a>, I&#8217;d suggest whether you&#8217;re a woman or a man, the most important thing to do is to focusing on learning to understand how adhd impacts you specifically in the different areas of your life, relationships, career, finances, social life etc and find ways in which to learn how to manage it more effectively. See my post <a href=" http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/02/21/top-10-ways-to-manage-adult-adhd/" rel="nofollow">The Top 10 Ways to Manage Adult ADHD<br />
</a> for some ideas.</p>
<p>FYI often the adhd guys in denial have such deep shame about it and don&#8217;t know how to manage it, and never been taught how to, they get tired of being frustrated with it and just turtle up and go into denial. Often the adhd women have more guilt and are at least open to talk about it (compared to most, not all of the men). </p>
<p>Sadly few medical professionals are trained to deal with adhd, less with adult adhd, and even less with women with ADHD.</p>
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		<title>By: MrsHm</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrsHm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 14:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to echo the comment by Elizabeth from last year - does anyone know any good resources for when the ADD/non-ADD gender dynamic is reversed (i.e. the woman is the one with ADD)? I&#039;ve looked into most of the stuff out there on ADD &amp; relationships, such as the adhdmarriage.com site, and the book &quot;Is it you, me, or adult ADD?&quot;, but it seems most of it is written with male ADDers in mind. Generally the authors do acknowledge &amp; make some attempt to talk about the fact that women can have ADD too, but most of the info seems to involve the implicit assumption that it is the man who has ADD. I felt this was a particular problem with Gina Pera&#039;s book (&quot;Is it you me or adult ADD?&quot;) where my husband &amp; I felt that a lot of the behaviour described was actually stuff my husband exhibits more than me, and he&#039;s definitely NOT got ADD! It seemed like most of what she described was typical male behavioural issues that are made worse by ADD, not necessarily universal ADD symptoms. 

For instance, based on my own experience &amp; a lot of the reading I&#039;ve done, it seems women with ADD are often all too aware of the impact their behaviour has on others and are eaten up with guilt about it, which leads to a whole different set of issues compared to the more &quot;oblivious&quot; attitude of many men with ADD (I realise this is a gross generalisation and there are many men with ADD who do recognise the impact their ADD has on others, and who feel equally guilty, but on average this seems to be more of an issue with women than men. Most of the time I read men expressing this view it has only come after they have started treatment &amp; had their eyes opened to what they have been like!). These gender differences might be due to the way females are raised to be rather than some innate difference - from an early age we are expected to be perceptive about other people&#039;s feelings and are raised to be &quot;people pleasers&quot; more than men are.

A lot of the stuff I&#039;ve read seems to paint the ADDer as lacking self-awareness, low in empathy, in denial, overbearing in their behaviour, and tending to fall into a pattern of letting their partner take on all responsibility &amp; be like a parent to them. Most of this just doesn&#039;t sound a lot like the problems I have (and no, I&#039;m not just in denial &amp; lacking awareness of my issues!! I&#039;ve been battling for most of my adult life to get some recognition &amp; help with my ADD, and have been trying everything I can think of to help myself improve. I am all too aware of the massively destructive impact that ADD has had on my life &amp; that of the people around me).

Anyway, I&#039;ll stop my rambling but I was just hoping someone might have some pointers on good sources of advice for those of us who are female ADDers married to a non-ADD man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to echo the comment by Elizabeth from last year &#8211; does anyone know any good resources for when the ADD/non-ADD gender dynamic is reversed (i.e. the woman is the one with ADD)? I&#8217;ve looked into most of the stuff out there on ADD &amp; relationships, such as the adhdmarriage.com site, and the book &#8220;Is it you, me, or adult ADD?&#8221;, but it seems most of it is written with male ADDers in mind. Generally the authors do acknowledge &amp; make some attempt to talk about the fact that women can have ADD too, but most of the info seems to involve the implicit assumption that it is the man who has ADD. I felt this was a particular problem with Gina Pera&#8217;s book (&#8220;Is it you me or adult ADD?&#8221;) where my husband &amp; I felt that a lot of the behaviour described was actually stuff my husband exhibits more than me, and he&#8217;s definitely NOT got ADD! It seemed like most of what she described was typical male behavioural issues that are made worse by ADD, not necessarily universal ADD symptoms. </p>
<p>For instance, based on my own experience &amp; a lot of the reading I&#8217;ve done, it seems women with ADD are often all too aware of the impact their behaviour has on others and are eaten up with guilt about it, which leads to a whole different set of issues compared to the more &#8220;oblivious&#8221; attitude of many men with ADD (I realise this is a gross generalisation and there are many men with ADD who do recognise the impact their ADD has on others, and who feel equally guilty, but on average this seems to be more of an issue with women than men. Most of the time I read men expressing this view it has only come after they have started treatment &amp; had their eyes opened to what they have been like!). These gender differences might be due to the way females are raised to be rather than some innate difference &#8211; from an early age we are expected to be perceptive about other people&#8217;s feelings and are raised to be &#8220;people pleasers&#8221; more than men are.</p>
<p>A lot of the stuff I&#8217;ve read seems to paint the ADDer as lacking self-awareness, low in empathy, in denial, overbearing in their behaviour, and tending to fall into a pattern of letting their partner take on all responsibility &amp; be like a parent to them. Most of this just doesn&#8217;t sound a lot like the problems I have (and no, I&#8217;m not just in denial &amp; lacking awareness of my issues!! I&#8217;ve been battling for most of my adult life to get some recognition &amp; help with my ADD, and have been trying everything I can think of to help myself improve. I am all too aware of the massively destructive impact that ADD has had on my life &amp; that of the people around me).</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll stop my rambling but I was just hoping someone might have some pointers on good sources of advice for those of us who are female ADDers married to a non-ADD man?</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Quily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Quily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Maxi,

Sounds like you&#039;ve read a lot about ADHD, that&#039;s good many spouses don&#039;t and just assume its a moral problem or other adhd myths.

It may not be will and staying power, but specific strategies that are customized to work for him vs someone else.  Often will power is a word for strategies that work for me and add moral tone. It seems you&#039;re trying your best and putting in a lot of time and effort. And pushing does usually activate the oppositional defiant disorder in ADDers.

Perhaps right now you might consider switching the focus from him to getting help for you in what you&#039;re going through by someone that focuses specifically on spouses of people with adhd ie Melissa Orlov of adhdmarriage.com

Glad  you like my site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Maxi,</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;ve read a lot about ADHD, that&#8217;s good many spouses don&#8217;t and just assume its a moral problem or other adhd myths.</p>
<p>It may not be will and staying power, but specific strategies that are customized to work for him vs someone else.  Often will power is a word for strategies that work for me and add moral tone. It seems you&#8217;re trying your best and putting in a lot of time and effort. And pushing does usually activate the oppositional defiant disorder in ADDers.</p>
<p>Perhaps right now you might consider switching the focus from him to getting help for you in what you&#8217;re going through by someone that focuses specifically on spouses of people with adhd ie Melissa Orlov of adhdmarriage.com</p>
<p>Glad  you like my site.</p>
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		<title>By: Maxi</title>
		<link>http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/05/20/what-your-non-add-spouse-wants-you-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-1488555</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your response.   I don&#039;t assume that he has been taught the skills to manage his ADHD.  I encourage him to use post-it notes, simplifying his routines to reduce forgetfulness, etc.  

I have been reading a lot of books and doing research online because my partner does not have the &quot;skills&quot; to do this.  He is appreciative of my effort and when he tries techniques it eventually falls by the wayside.  It&#039;s the will and staying power he finds difficult to maintain and I understand this is part of an ADHD mind (being distracted, etc.)  

I&#039;m feeling like an enabler and I agree that I cannot be as objective as you would be.  I have tried to get him to try your coaching last year and he refused adamantly.  I try not to push things too hard for him as he gets irritated and upset.  But then nothing gets achieved.  I&#039;m hoping each time he will aquiese a little bit at a time and try coaching.

His work hours are very erratic and that is what makes having a routine difficult.  Otherwise, I&#039;m sure he&#039;d be able to do counselling or coaching.

I think you have the best information I&#039;ve seen so far and I thank you for doing a great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response.   I don&#8217;t assume that he has been taught the skills to manage his ADHD.  I encourage him to use post-it notes, simplifying his routines to reduce forgetfulness, etc.  </p>
<p>I have been reading a lot of books and doing research online because my partner does not have the &#8220;skills&#8221; to do this.  He is appreciative of my effort and when he tries techniques it eventually falls by the wayside.  It&#8217;s the will and staying power he finds difficult to maintain and I understand this is part of an ADHD mind (being distracted, etc.)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m feeling like an enabler and I agree that I cannot be as objective as you would be.  I have tried to get him to try your coaching last year and he refused adamantly.  I try not to push things too hard for him as he gets irritated and upset.  But then nothing gets achieved.  I&#8217;m hoping each time he will aquiese a little bit at a time and try coaching.</p>
<p>His work hours are very erratic and that is what makes having a routine difficult.  Otherwise, I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d be able to do counselling or coaching.</p>
<p>I think you have the best information I&#8217;ve seen so far and I thank you for doing a great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Quily</title>
		<link>http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/05/20/what-your-non-add-spouse-wants-you-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-1488302</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Quily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re assuming it&#039;s effort. You&#039;re also assuming someone has taught him the skills on how to manage ADHD successfully. Are those assumptions both correct? Also you should never coach or do therapy on your spouse, you&#039;re too attached to be effective, that&#039;s why outside independent objective coaches are more effective</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re assuming it&#8217;s effort. You&#8217;re also assuming someone has taught him the skills on how to manage ADHD successfully. Are those assumptions both correct? Also you should never coach or do therapy on your spouse, you&#8217;re too attached to be effective, that&#8217;s why outside independent objective coaches are more effective</p>
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		<title>By: Maxi</title>
		<link>http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/05/20/what-your-non-add-spouse-wants-you-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-1488181</link>
		<dc:creator>Maxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am living with someone with ADHD.  I have done as much as I can in researching about ADHD and understanding it from my partner&#039;s point of view.  But no matter how much I try to &quot;coach&quot; him or to support him, he does not put as much effort on his part to better control his ADHD behaviours and thoughts.  I&#039;m considering leaving him because I feel I tried as much as I can and he doesn&#039;t put enough effort into saving the relationship.  It breaks my heart because he is such a great person but I cannot handle the clutter, anger outbursts, forgetfulness, lateness, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am living with someone with ADHD.  I have done as much as I can in researching about ADHD and understanding it from my partner&#8217;s point of view.  But no matter how much I try to &#8220;coach&#8221; him or to support him, he does not put as much effort on his part to better control his ADHD behaviours and thoughts.  I&#8217;m considering leaving him because I feel I tried as much as I can and he doesn&#8217;t put enough effort into saving the relationship.  It breaks my heart because he is such a great person but I cannot handle the clutter, anger outbursts, forgetfulness, lateness, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are some of the best posts I&#039;ve read.  I thank-you all!  My husband is newly diagnosed with ADHD but will not seek treatment.  He cried all the way through The FIREPROOF movie, but nothing changed, he read me the list from men are from mars women are from venus, about what you can do to score points with a woman then never did any of them.  We read and discussed the LOVE LANGUAGES, again, no changes, Marriage counseling-resulted in the therapist telling him to lead the marriage-He clearly can&#039;t.  We Have been together for 15 years.  Miserable for 8 years.  I went into this marriage saying one thing, I will not go down as a Nag!  So, we just don&#039;t communicate.  Lists don&#039;t work, talking doesn&#039;t work.  What else is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are some of the best posts I&#8217;ve read.  I thank-you all!  My husband is newly diagnosed with ADHD but will not seek treatment.  He cried all the way through The FIREPROOF movie, but nothing changed, he read me the list from men are from mars women are from venus, about what you can do to score points with a woman then never did any of them.  We read and discussed the LOVE LANGUAGES, again, no changes, Marriage counseling-resulted in the therapist telling him to lead the marriage-He clearly can&#8217;t.  We Have been together for 15 years.  Miserable for 8 years.  I went into this marriage saying one thing, I will not go down as a Nag!  So, we just don&#8217;t communicate.  Lists don&#8217;t work, talking doesn&#8217;t work.  What else is there?</p>
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		<title>By: petunia</title>
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		<dc:creator>petunia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 00:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my 25 year experience with an ADD husband who refused medication and counseling till recently, living with ADD as a spouse is a lonely and fearful existence. When you have made sacrifices over and over again in an attempt to make up for your ADD spouse&#039;s bad choices and neglect, it is very painful to be asked to make even one more compromise.  My advice to spouses who are ADD would be not to delay one more minute in getting the help you need to be successful in your marriage.  No more denial....No more excuses.  You must be the one to make the sacrifices to refill your spouse&#039;s emotional bank account. You can&#039;t ask someone who is empty of emotion towards you to make a sacrifice for your good when you have neglected the welfare of your family.  Don&#039;t wait for one more sunrise to begin loving your spouse or you won&#039;t have a spouse to love. Don&#039;t wait for your spouse to finally give an ultimatum for getting help before you wake up from the hibernation in your &quot;cave&quot;.  This is what my ADD spouse did, and I have hope that our marriage will survive, but at the same time, I would rather be by myself than live alone with a neglectful ADD spouse for the remainder of my days till I take my last breath. Living with an ADD spouse is a very lonely and unloving existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my 25 year experience with an ADD husband who refused medication and counseling till recently, living with ADD as a spouse is a lonely and fearful existence. When you have made sacrifices over and over again in an attempt to make up for your ADD spouse&#8217;s bad choices and neglect, it is very painful to be asked to make even one more compromise.  My advice to spouses who are ADD would be not to delay one more minute in getting the help you need to be successful in your marriage.  No more denial&#8230;.No more excuses.  You must be the one to make the sacrifices to refill your spouse&#8217;s emotional bank account. You can&#8217;t ask someone who is empty of emotion towards you to make a sacrifice for your good when you have neglected the welfare of your family.  Don&#8217;t wait for one more sunrise to begin loving your spouse or you won&#8217;t have a spouse to love. Don&#8217;t wait for your spouse to finally give an ultimatum for getting help before you wake up from the hibernation in your &#8220;cave&#8221;.  This is what my ADD spouse did, and I have hope that our marriage will survive, but at the same time, I would rather be by myself than live alone with a neglectful ADD spouse for the remainder of my days till I take my last breath. Living with an ADD spouse is a very lonely and unloving existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://adultaddstrengths.com/2008/05/20/what-your-non-add-spouse-wants-you-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-1423063</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 22:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, but I&#039;m the one with ADD, not my hubby, the most patient man in the whole universe. Any tips for men dealing with flighty ladies like myself (as I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a completely different experience)? I drive him nuts, but I&#039;m cute :)

Links or comments or both, I&#039;m not picky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, but I&#8217;m the one with ADD, not my hubby, the most patient man in the whole universe. Any tips for men dealing with flighty ladies like myself (as I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a completely different experience)? I drive him nuts, but I&#8217;m cute <img src='http://adultaddstrengths.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Links or comments or both, I&#8217;m not picky.</p>
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		<title>By: Ads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I have been in a relationship with a man who has ADHD.  It helped that I am in school to be a therapist and was able to identify those behaviors. He finally decided to get help (after missing 3 appointments) and now he only has one more adhd test to go. I am kind of nervous about getting married after researching and seeing how many people get divorced because of this. I do love him, but I am irritated and wonder if this will get better. He doesnt have the best self esteem and his family doesnt help (they are very negative people). I dont know what to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I have been in a relationship with a man who has ADHD.  It helped that I am in school to be a therapist and was able to identify those behaviors. He finally decided to get help (after missing 3 appointments) and now he only has one more adhd test to go. I am kind of nervous about getting married after researching and seeing how many people get divorced because of this. I do love him, but I am irritated and wonder if this will get better. He doesnt have the best self esteem and his family doesnt help (they are very negative people). I dont know what to do!</p>
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